Compatible abutment for Anthogyr’s Anthofit implant?
I need to buy an abutment for this implant (Anthofit) but this particular implant system is not available in the US. The patient got this implant in some other country, but unfortunately the dentist who did this case placed an abutment that’s too narrow and it’s gingival margin too deep. I contacted the implant company (Anthogyr Implants), and the representative told me that this particular implant (Anthofit) is not available in the US and that they can’t sell me the abutment. The abutment has octogonal internal connection. Is there anybody who’s familiar with this implant? Does anyone know whether there is some other implant system that’s compatible with this implant?
16 Comments on Compatible abutment for Anthogyr’s Anthofit implant?
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CRS
1/23/2014
I would be real careful with this perhaps the implant was placed in this fashion without consideration of rebuilding the ridge, is is failing? If you jump in and try to fix this you may get burned. Personally I would not touch it, you don't have much recourse here.
k
1/23/2014
Thank you so much for your comment Dr. CRS, but I have a CAT scan machine in my office and I've taken a scan to document the current bone level and to show it to the patient. I want to help this patient so that she'll be able to keep this implant.
CRS
1/23/2014
Well a CT scan is great to document, but just because you want to save this implant doesn't mean you should. Doctors often use non FDA approved things off label my point is if the implant is the wrong size, too narrow and too deep there is not much that can be done with a new abutment. Best of luck with this.
k
1/23/2014
i disagree. if i follow your train of thought, then the implant should be removed and a new one placed. if this was my own mouth, i'd find a proper abutment and place a new crown because there is high chance that the implant restoration will work. the implant can always be replaced. why not at least follow up on it with a properly made implant crown. this implant's being used in France. the implant company just isn't selling them here in the US. the implant's not FDA approved only because the company isn't selling them here. that doesn't automatically mean the implant is of poor quality.
CRS
1/24/2014
Understood, just want to advise that this may fail in future and be aware of it. I can't predict the future but I would have the patient sign a waiver and be well informed. Of course I would not cause more damage in removing an integrated implant and with the octagon I don't think I have the tools to remove it. My point is one is getting in on the tail end of fixing a problem of the original placement and restoration in a system that is foreign. So there are a lot of things that can't be controlled, and it is okay to try and salvage but no guarantees or promises and charge appropriately. It is also okay to maintain this implant and allow it to fail, easier to remove. I just think that the poster could be set up to fail in this situation vs being well intentioned. Personally I often see patients travel overseas to save a buck then come back expecting another doctor to fix or maintain the problem I don't think it is fair please note thus is my opinion and may not be the case here. Maybe when UNICEF gets into the implant business the patient can be sent there. Please note thus is my sarcasm probably a poor joke on my part oh well I'm a work in progress!
Richard Hughes, DDS, FAAI
1/24/2014
The patient should consider traveling to where they received treatment. Less headaches this way.
k
1/24/2014
thank you for all your comments but not very helpful.
my original question wasn't about how to restore this case. i simply wanted to know if there was anyone out there who knew whether there is an implant system that's compatible with this particular implant.
i called the patient today and asked her to contact the dentist who placed the implant to order the right size abutment, and i will receive the abutment in few weeks. end of story!
CRS
1/25/2014
Please post your final result to end the story. We all like a happy ending!;)
k
1/26/2014
CRS, I am a prosthodontist with more than 20 years of experience, and the case was referred to me by an oral surgeon whose practice’s main focus is in implant dentistry. The oral surgeon in turn received the case from one of his local general dentists. Prior to sending me the patient, the oral surgeon thoroughly evaluated the condition of the implant and determined the implant to be stable. The oral surgeon wanted me to merely remove the existing abutment and crown and connect a proper size abutment and send the case back to the general dentist for a proper crown fabrication.
With all due respect, should I have told the oral surgeon that the implant should be removed because this dentist called “CRS†on internet told me to do so? Should I tell the oral surgeon that I trust the diagnosis made by “CRS†which was purely based on a single PA, which by the way shows no indication of active bone loss such as saucerization, more than him who already examined the patient in person? (Clinically, the soft tissue also looks healthy and there is no exudate upon palpation and probing.) We are replacing the abutment and crown as a preventive measure. I sincerely hope you can see how absurd and ridiculous this proposition sounds.
May be it’s because I am not as smart as you are, CRS, but I always refrain from making a decision to take an implant out merely based on a PA alone without seeing the patient in person first when there are no signs of trouble. I also try my best to keep my opinion to myself when I don’t have all the facts in front of me. But it’s just me.
I will submit an x-ray and a photo when I deliver the abutment, and it will be up to the editor of this forum whether they will get posted or not.
I appreciate your comments though.
CRS
2/2/2014
Perhaps this information would have been very helpful at the get go. If you carefully read my previous posts I did not advise removing an osteointrgrated implant but suggested to back away from the case due to many factors out of your control. Now noting that you are a specialist I would defer to your expertise in restoring this as a failed abutment case which I have seen in my practice . Unfortunately that does not change the fact that there are appropriate non FDA approved abutments available which would take some effort to obtain. I am simply pointing out risk which I sincerely hope goes into your favor. Based solely on your response I feel my response was not read carefully. I am not a mind reader and I was not given all the information just posted so it is counterintuitive to accuse me of making a decision based only on a periapical when that's the information given. This has nothing to do with how smart someone is but about judgement. I am sorry that my comments possibly made for an uncomfortable defensive response but I hope it works out for you. I try to give an honest opinion based on my experiences. This case has a lot of dentists in the mix and I would advise caution, if there is a problem someone could get thrown under the bus! I stated appropriate steps since often I am the one who gets called in to fix failing situations sometime based on others treatment decisions or just the clinical situation itself which are things that are difficult to control. Wouldn't have been nice to be original treating doctor and have treated this case from the get go setting a restoratively driven treatment plan using all your prostododontic expertise? Not a perfect world, God bless and thanks for reading .
Drg
1/28/2014
The abutments are sold in France. Best idea is to fly to France, you can write the trip off as a business expense!
John L Manuel, DDS
1/29/2014
In the past a patient came to me with unknown implants in her upper cuspid areas around which the bone had receded and periodontist's treatment had stabilized the receded tissue at a level exposing the implant body.
I referred to a local prosthodontist who eventually just prepped the implant bodies as though they were tooth roots and placed PFM crowns. That was about 9 years ago and she still looks pretty good with no detectible problems.
As to how "recommended" this treatment may be, or under what exact circumstance it could be considered advisable, I cannot say. However, the long term result appears to be superior than had the doctors removed, grafted and replaced these implants.
k
1/29/2014
yes, when selected appropriately, the KISS rule rules.
thank you for your input.
chames
1/29/2014
To my knowledge the internal connection of anthogyr is not compatible with other major systems (and vice versa!!!)
Anthogyr retaining screws are hexed and incompatible with tools other than anthogyr, however I used the old 3i tapered hex screw driver without problem.
Note that second generation retaining screws have both an internal hex and are slotted so a flat screwdriver such as the "old" nobelpharma flat screwdriver does the job.
Abutment platforms are available in 1 to 3 mm height and 5.1 to 5.8 wide for the 4mm implant
Retaining screw has threads identical to first generation intralock, nobelpharma, 3I
k
1/29/2014
thank you dr. chames for your very helpful and knowledgeable input.
Viney Aggarwal
2/12/2014
The Implant shown in the X-ry is not their Anthofit range but older than that. It was called SCREW OI Implant.It is a parallel implant whereas Anthofit is a tapered implant The unique feature of this range was that the abutment was same for their 3.5, 4 or 5 mm diameter implants. the crest module of 4 and 5 mm implants is back tapered to receive the same abutment as 3.5 mm implant.The crest module of Anthofit range is 3.5 for 3.5 , 4 for 4 mm and 5 for 5 mm dia implants. So the abutment for your Implant even though it is 4 mm in diameter will be that for 3.5 mm in the Anthofit range.
Better still if you get a castable abutment ( Ref OI M35CO SD ) , you will be able to cast the abutment to the exact Gingival height and length you want.
I have been using Only Anthogyr implants for good 10 years from 1998 to 2008 and have used thousand of these. now since these are not available in India I have switched to other systems. You can see some of my cases in the blog section of my website www.jalandhardentist.com and click on the link Dental Implants on the home page , you will see all my old cases of Anthogyr implants. For current cases you can visit my Blog section.